tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8132410343235772418.post7026579315122850991..comments2023-10-01T03:05:01.291-07:00Comments on GAY MYSTIC: IN SEDE VACANTEUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8132410343235772418.post-13641194466877707182013-03-02T12:32:37.850-08:002013-03-02T12:32:37.850-08:00Yes, Jayden, thank you for a wonderful article. I...Yes, Jayden, thank you for a wonderful article. It is very thoughtful. <br /><br />Mark zysist 208Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8132410343235772418.post-84387280683486516562013-03-01T10:37:24.412-08:002013-03-01T10:37:24.412-08:00Well, Phlomena, I included the article by Ivone Ga...Well, Phlomena, I included the article by Ivone Gabara as a check to myself, since my dearest friends have accused me sometimes of being too 'ethereal and whispy whispy,' when it comes to speaking of the Holy Spirit. Well, OK, point taken, but truthfully I thought Gabara also went too far in ascribing such sentiments to magical thinking.<br />very interesting quote, Prickliest Pear, which seems sensible and rather humble as well. I'm a bit more of a 'fatalist' however in this matter and believe there are no accidents, even with unsavory popes the Holy Spirit might "obviously not have picked." It is a deep mystery where human freedom (and folly) intersect with divine intentionality. I believe there is a pattern and a purpose to the trials of the church - ever since the dramatic death of Pope John I, whom I'm convinced was murdered. A deep mystery is working itself out before our eyes, but this does not exonerate the human decisions made from culpability. Now we wait in silence and prayer for the next turn of events. And life goes on. Richard Demmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17116799651068476195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8132410343235772418.post-24577975091414758562013-02-28T14:36:07.084-08:002013-02-28T14:36:07.084-08:00Re: the role of the Holy Spirit in the selection o...Re: the role of the Holy Spirit in the selection of a pope, I think Ratzinger's near-minimalist approach makes a lot of sense. This is from <a href="http://www.nationalcatholicreporter.org/update/conclave/pt041505c.htm" rel="nofollow">an article</a> by John L. Allen, Jr. that was posted online a few days before Ratzinger was elected pope:<br /><br /><i>[Ratzinger] was asked on Bavarian television in 1997 if the Holy Spirit is responsible for who gets elected pope, and this was his response: "I would not say so, in the sense that the Holy Spirit picks out the pope. ... I would say that the Spirit does not exactly take control of the affair, but rather like a good educator, as it were, leaves us much space, much freedom, without entirely abandoning us. Thus the Spirit's role should be understood in a much more elastic sense, not that he dictates the candidate for whom one must vote. Probably the only assurance he offers is that the thing cannot be totally ruined."<br /><br />Then the clincher: "There are too many contrary instances of popes the Holy Spirit would obviously not have picked."</i>PrickliestPearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07606660660913560540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8132410343235772418.post-33225002530857266482013-02-28T14:14:39.749-08:002013-02-28T14:14:39.749-08:00Thanks for this great article Jayden.
I find myse...Thanks for this great article Jayden. <br />I find myself agreeing with much of it. But re- the invocation of the Holy Spirit, I know it is something I tend to do when there are profound moments that I can't articulate in words, but also when I need to honour the mystery of faith and grace.<br /><br />I think what you say here about the necessary debate that is often given scant attention, does contain elements of denial too. But it is also complex because of the emotional ties many Catholics feel towards what you call the charism of the Petrine office and apostolic succession. <br /><br /> I think there is a time and place for pause out of respect for the end days of Pope Benedict. I too felt sad today too, although I was not a fan of Benedict's papacy. Some of the media articles and blogs I have seen these past few days certainly have not avoided the discussions that are needed. I am pretty sure that there will be a mighty resurgence of debate shortly. Blessings Blue Eyed Ennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06181985609681328032noreply@blogger.com